Racial equality and social justice are nothing new however they have become one of the most prominent conversations we are having now when it comes to nonprofit leadership and growth.

Rob’s guest today is Kishshana Palmer, CEO of Kishshana + Co., and founder of The Rooted Collaborative. She is a national speaker, trainer, and coach with a 17 year background in fundraising, marketing, and talent management. Kishshana’s first management experience was at 22 years old, right after grad school, when she was challenged to lead a team of 12 and had a million dollar budget. 

Kishshana explains why all nonprofits are avenues for social justice, and why more groups must dig deeper into their diversity and inclusion practices if they really want change and growth to occur. She believes organizations should focus on investing in the talent, time, and treasure of its team members, and details how employee satisfaction surveys can really paint a picture of where work is needed within an organization in order to continue fostering a healthy culture. Kishshana wants more leaders to recognize it’s time to change the way things are done because times are indeed changing, and our young people are living proof this movement for change.

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Kishshana + Co: Website | Facebook | Instagram | 

Kish Camp for Managers

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Personality tests have existed for centuries, yet many leaders are still surprised by how insightful and beneficial understanding your personality type can be to the work you want to accomplish. 

Rob’s guest today is Ian Morgan Cron, speaker, author, and pioneer in the contemporary Enneagram movement. His book “The Road Back to You” is perfect for those interested in learning more about the typology of the nine interconnected, personality types of the Enneagram tool. 

Ian has worked with a variety of companies and leaders both in and out of the nonprofit space, and consistently sees the need for building soft skills like empathy and compassion. He explains why meaningful work matters and how a strong leader understands not only their own strengths, but also where they require support and balance. Most importantly, Ian shares why self-awareness is the ultimate key to successful leadership, no matter your personality type! 

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The Road Back to You

iEQ9 Online Test

Ian Morgan Cron: Website | Typology Podcast | True You Course 

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Imagination, storytelling and living with a sense of wonder may not be the first skills that come to mind when describing a nonprofit leader. However, a leader that leverages all three of these unique elements might just be what’s needed to turn a nonprofit’s dream into a reality.   

Rob’s guest today is Harris III, a professional illusionist and storyteller, who has performed for more than two million people on five continents. After becoming a millionaire at 21 and losing it all by the age of 22, Harris began his decade-long journey to understand the stories we tell ourselves and how they drive our behavior. Today, his live experiences, training, and consulting is sought out by numerous brands, nonprofits and influential leaders. 

Harris explains what surprised him the most from his personal experiences and what led him to realize that wonder is both powerful and contagious. He talks about how the same deception used in magic tricks is actually the root of the deceptive stories we often tell ourselves that keep us from living with wonder and using our imagination in a hopeful way. Thankfully, Harris details the 3 biggest lies to avoid and how leaders can recapture wonder and lead with hope.     

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Harris III

The Wonder Switch

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